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[johnnymustang]

http://www.americana...ducts.php?cat=4

Please let me know.
Thanks

Jm

[johnnymustang]

Its for coil conversion. These front bags are driving me crazy!

[88lsc/se]

Have not used them. Did use EZ-STRUTs for my front air spring issues. They'll help you fix and diagnose air spring problems before converting to coil. I bought coils for my 92, but ended up fixing my air springs.

What problems are you having?
Believe it or not my problem was due to moisture in the lines. As the air expanded into the bags it cooled and created frost that held the solenoid open allowing air to escape after the pump shut off.

[1stiski]

88lsc/se, on 27 October 2011 - 11:41 PM, said:

Have not used them. Did use EZ-STRUTs for my front air spring issues. They'll help you fix and diagnose air spring problems before converting to coil. I bought coils for my 92, but ended up fixing my air springs.

What problems are you having?
Believe it or not my problem was due to moisture in the lines. As the air expanded into the bags it cooled and created frost that held the solenoid open allowing air to escape after the pump shut off.

Another good reason to do the Dryer service on the air system at least every 2 years , especially if you live in a humid place. Something that the home mechanic can do with ease.,, Some time and your oven and your set. That pesky moisture .

[88lsc/se]

whats worse is it was a brand new- from the dealer, air dryer!

Still ended up doing the dryer service.

[johnnymustang]

88lsc/se, on 27 October 2011 - 11:41 PM, said:

Have not used them. Did use EZ-STRUTs for my front air spring issues. They'll help you fix and diagnose air spring problems before converting to coil. I bought coils for my 92, but ended up fixing my air springs.

What problems are you having?
Believe it or not my problem was due to moisture in the lines. As the air expanded into the bags it cooled and created frost that held the solenoid open allowing air to escape after the pump shut off.

Well after I shut off the car I can hear air escaping, loud hiss. The front will go down completly in about 5 minutes, after start up the front bags will fill up with air again as long as the car is running. Weird thing is that sometimes it will hold the air while car is shut off. Today I got a soapy solution and sprayed the drivers side bag, I could see bubbles forming in the bottom part of the bag were it folds as it looses air.


Thanks

JM

[johnnymustang]

EZ Strut company and American Air Suspension seem to sell the exact same product with same price. Only thing is American Air will give you money back if you send them your old air system. On another post someone said they used that green slime and it sealed the leak, what shrader valve would I attach the green slime too? This would only be a tempory fix.

Thanks
JM

[88lsc/se]

tThe bottom fold of the air suspension bags are coomon to developing a leak over time. There is no schrader valve on the bags themselves. To put the slime in them you need to disconnect the air line to the bag solenoid, remove the solenoid retaining clip. Carefully rotate the solenoid (about 1/8 turn, then pull outward) and vent any pressurized air in the bag, then remove the solenoid (another 1/8 turn and pull outward again). There is a fairly large opening that you add the slime into. At this time I would recommend you change the 'O' rings on both the solenoid (2) and the large sealing 'O' ring between the solenoid and bag(1)- these are the most common causes of of leaks.

It is worth note that the air suspension computer compensates uneven between the two front bags. If one side leaks and drops the computer will vent the other to maintain trim. This in turn can cause the compressor to work double time and eventually fail- Happened to me. Sometimes they would hold air, other times no, so I replaced the bags,rebuilt compressor & new dryer... I still had problems. As mentioned above the problem ended up being moisture.

Also talk to DRAKE_TR7. he helped me work through the issues. Air suspension is a lot better ride than the springs... especially if you do any performance upgrades or aggressive driving

[johnnymustang]

Thanks for your help, Im really leaning towards the coil conversion I m just afraid I wont like the ride or ride height.

[Dallas90LSC]

johnnymustang, on 29 October 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Thanks for your help, Im really leaning towards the coil conversion I m just afraid I wont like the ride or ride height.

Ok, look here...
It's obviously your car and your money and what you do to your car is your business.
I also know that there are several people here who have swapped to the coil kits "with no issues".
I put that in quotation marks because there is NO SUCH THING as a safe coil conversion kit. They are ALL aftermarket half assed bolt on contraptions. For every person who thinks they have no problems with the conversion kit, there is (at least) an equal amount who have had problems ranging from the coils being too high/low, permanent damage to the upper airspring perch, hardware breaking at the control arm, etc.
**Note that at this time I will not get into the worn out debate about ride quality/performance. This is strictly about mechanicals**

The ONLY safe way to convert to coils is to swap in a T-bird/Mustang K-member and control arms that accept coil springs.

I understand your frustration with the air ride. No offense, but it's simply because you are too new to it or don't understand it.
The air springs are incredibly easy to R&R. I can swap springs in less than 30 minutes. That includes jacking up the car, walking back and forth because I always forget pliers or screwdriver (the only 2 tools you need), walking back inside for another beer, and dropping the car back on the ground.
When you swap springs, always use new o-rings and some dielectric (spelling) grease and you wont be back in there for years.

Sorry for the long post, but it always frustrates me when someone hacks up a perfectly good Mark VII air ride.
Now, just to make sure you understand I'm not just some grumpy old fart that is afraid to modify, read this http://www.lincolnso...tech/00258.html
I'm the guy leaning on the black 1990.

In the event you go ahead and do the coil spring conversion, DO NOT just chuck the old LSC springs in the garbage. Please.
Somebody here or at Lincolns on Line will buy them from you.

[johnnymustang]

Thanks for taking time to help a fellow Mark VII enthusiast. Well today I went to the local u pullit junkyard and got the
two front bags with both solenoids. It was the easiest thing, as I started taking things apart I became apparent how the system works. Got home and replaced the leaky bag. Its been a couple hours and car remained level.
Im lucky I found a Mark in good condition , I think I have the only Mark here in a city of about 100,000 population.

[Jackup460]

johnnymustang, on 29 October 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Thanks for your help, Im really leaning towards the coil conversion I m just afraid I wont like the ride or ride height.

Do it. Give these geezers a heart attack.

[johnnymustang]

Jackup460, on 30 October 2011 - 04:54 PM, said:

Do it. Give these geezers a heart attack.

Lol! Nah I appreciate help from all you guys, I like to hear different opinions based on experience.

[Dallas90LSC]

johnnymustang, on 30 October 2011 - 04:53 PM, said:

Thanks for taking time to help a fellow Mark VII enthusiast. Well today I went to the local u pullit junkyard and got the
two front bags with both solenoids. It was the easiest thing, as I started taking things apart I became apparent how the system works. Got home and replaced the leaky bag. Its been a couple hours and car remained level.
Im lucky I found a Mark in good condition , I think I have the only Mark here in a city of about 100,000 population.

Excellent.
Where are you?

[johnnymustang]

Dallas90LSC, on 30 October 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:

Excellent.
Where are you?

Brownsville, TX

Thanks

JM

[Dallas90LSC]

johnnymustang, on 30 October 2011 - 09:28 PM, said:

Brownsville, TX

Thanks

JM

I'm in Fort Worth.
Keep an eye on the Power Tour thread.
I know You're waaay south, but You'd have fun.

[Dallas90LSC]

Jackup460, on 30 October 2011 - 04:54 PM, said:

Do it. Give these geezers a heart attack.

Geezer. Wow.
That means so much coming from you.

[Jackup460]

Dallas90LSC, on 31 October 2011 - 08:00 PM, said:

Geezer. Wow.
That means so much coming from you.

It's was just a joke. I didn't mean to offend.

[Dallas90LSC]

Jackup460, on 01 November 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

It's was just a joke. I didn't mean to offend.

My apologies for getting my panties in a wad.
Owe you a beer.

[XLLSC]

u want the converion or new air bags?